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Emily Dickinson, #1741
That it will never come again 9%
Is what makes life so sweet. 0%
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Precisely opposite. 27%

Votes: 11

 Kill Yr Idols: God

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Oct 24, 2001
It is time to admit the awful, yet liberating, truth that God is not on our side. God never made it a secret that He is a jealous --and let's face it, petty and vain-- God. God likes flatterers, and no religion has succeeded better in feeding God's childish ego than fundamentalist Islam. Look how well it has worked: the total destruction of both towers of our World Trade Center was the sort of slam-dunk, hole-in-one, million-to-one shot that just does not, I'm sorry, happen without divine intervention.

So are we utterly lost now that God no longer loves us? Now that God loves them instead, and hates us, should we give up all hope?

Well of course not. Who needs God anyway? We sure as hell don't.


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When you look at a picture of Osama bin Laden, you can't help but notice the aura of divine serenity that he exudes. Few are willing to say so openly, but bin Laden is obviously a very religious man -- meaning he is the kind of guy God likes. What jealous, angry, vain God wouldn't like someone like bin Laden? Just look at the total commitment, the ruthless willingness to do anything to ensure total obedience to God's law. In a word, bin Laden has faith. Remember Abraham and Isaac? God told Abraham to kill his only son, and Abraham, being the committed Godist that he was, said "Sure thing, God. Anything you say." God has a hard-on for followers who will mindlessly obey orders to kill the innocent, and to kill themselves in the process. Is there any better test of pure faith?

Islam figured that one out better than anyone. That's why they pray five times a day, instead of just three, or one. That's why they call themselves "slaves to God" and will never speak of the future without adding the qualifier "God willing." God just totally eats that kind of thing up. And God rewards his followers with success. Not total success, but success in Godly things like slaughtering those unclean infidels that God hates: freethinkers, liberals, materialists, sexual deviants, women with jobs. Pretty much everything that makes America great is on God's list of sins. Go smoke a bowl, or snarf on the genitals of someone you only kinda like, just because you can, and guaranteed you will piss off the Taliban, not to mention our home-grown equivalent, the Christian Coalition. Hell, just go have a nice vodka martini with a couple olives and a little lime twist, and the fundamentalists will be plotting your death. And God will hate you for it too.

Oh, sure, go get your Derrida and your Foucalt and deconstruct scripture any solipsistic way you like to make your version of the Bible say just what you want it to say. That doesn't change the fact that the reason fundamentalists are called fundamentalists is that they take the words on the page of scripture as simple facts and don't try to shoe-horn them to fit some modern, hip lifestyle.

But so what? Let the Taliban have their blind, stumbling, idiot-child God who needs constant worship and sacrifice, like some attention-deprived hyper-active two-year-old with fetal alcohol syndrome. Let them have all the help they can get from their primitive God who guides their hand on the controls of our hijacked airliners. This is the same God who allowed his own divine beings to inter-breed with man, then got all bent out of shape about it and decided to destroy the world with a flood. But then this "infallible" God turns around and changes his mind, and acts all sorry like he didn't mean it, and promises to never do it again. What kind of leadership is that? And if, like me, you notice the classic pattern of a domestic partner abuser in God's behavior, you are on to something for sure. Do we really want this God on our side at all? Let our enemies ally themselves with this capricious, hot-headed God. We're better off with Him helping them and not muddling up our plans with unpredictable and bitterly ironic Acts of God.

We're America. We can handle the fascist fundamentalists of the uncivilized world, and their little God.

Godists will always be primitive, backward, and frankly stupid people. Talk to any religious nut you know to see what I mean. Even God won't be able to help those troglodytes get into the cockpit of our airplanes once we bolt the fucking door. We just aren't dealing with that sophisticated an enemy. We Americans showed everybody, including this God , in WWII that once we set our minds to a task, nothing can stop us. God can send a couple smart bombs astray here and there, and of course send us his usual crappy weather, but that only delays the inevitable.

And then what? Then we show once and for all that civilized, educated, free-thinking humanists --people who know how to have a good time, unlike certain boring, puritanical God freaks I could name-- were right to begin turning away from God centuries ago. We turned away at the same time that Islam was taking kowtowing to the Divine to a whole new level. Now we'll show them where that gets you.

Maybe it all sounds a little arrogant and overconfident to claim that we can kick God's ass, but ask yourself, who is really the arrogant one here? Us, or God? I say God. God is, and always has been, the most over-inflated, self-centered, fantastically overconfident and arrogant Deity we have ever seen. Sure, maybe Americans have had their episodes of hubris here and there, but when it comes to hubris, it is God, not us, that takes the cake. And therefore is God and certainly not us, who is due to be taken down a notch or two.

And then, given God's predictable infantile passive-aggressive behavior pattern, we are going to see God come crawling back to us, wanting us to take Him back and act like nothing ever happened. We've seen God pull this stunt plenty of times before with every tragedy and disaster God has visited on us, from the Flood to the Plague to World War I. Typically, once God has made a mess of everything and left it to some responsible party like the U.S. to clean up, God is out of the picture until it is all over. Then, here comes God again, wanting to make up, and shockingly, demanding again that we give Him our faith. Yeah, sure, look what happens to those who have faith. Look how your buddy bin Laden ended up, God. Are we going to fall for that?

Think about all those innocent people that God killed. Are you going to sit around and let him get away with that? Not me, sunshine, no way is God getting off the hook this time.


Satanism. (none / 0) (#8)
by tkatchev on Wed Oct 24th, 2001 at 09:45:10 PM PST
Look, God is love. That is why he gives us complete and unparalleled freedom, including the freedom to blow up two of our own skyscrapers. (I hope you're not going to argue that bin Laden suddenly popped out of the blue one fine day, hating the U.S. for some reason.)

Would you rather have a God that bullied you every time you made a mistake or did something wrong, a metaphysical sort of "Big Brother" to control all aspects of our lives? That would be satanism, my friend. The road to hell is an easy and sometimes enjoyable one; you'd get lots of company from your beloved Satan there. Although, for all the atheist bravado, is sincerely doubt you would enjoy it.

In short, God gave you freedom. You can theoretically use that freedom to explode skyscrapers or to post hateful articles about God on weblogs, but the truth of the matter is that at the bottom of your heart you know that He created you, and that He loves you.

Frankly, your act looks like nothing but a weak, adolescent attempt of rebellion. (Look at me, I'm so grown up and adult that I don't even need God!) Please stop; you're just making yourself look like an infantile jackass.

Peace and much love...

I sort of expected this. (none / 0) (#10)
by elenchos on Wed Oct 24th, 2001 at 10:31:27 PM PST
I think this brilliant article perhaps would help open your mind a little. It is by none other than Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, ok?

It pains me to see what limited theological education typical Christians have. It turns out that trite platitudes about "God's plan" and "God is love" are fine for little children, but as a morally responsible adult, you have to try a little harder. God is responsible. How could it be otherwise? Yet we have horrors that are unconscionable. We have a duty to make moral judgements, and that includes asking God hard questions.

I merely add that we should not prejudice the outcome by pretending that God will have all the right answers. What if it turns out that God isn't really cutting it? Should we hold fast to our moral beliefs, or bend them so as to keep on God's good side, like certain ass-kissing fundamentalists?

I say we do what is right, God or no God.

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

Come on. (none / 0) (#11)
by tkatchev on Wed Oct 24th, 2001 at 11:39:00 PM PST
There is no "God's plan".

We are given complete free will. Yes, that means that God is not holding our hand, and that we, like responsible adults, have the freedom to destroy ourselves if we wish.

In fact, I don't see what is your complaint with God. You see, we:
  • Created bin Laden and gave him a reason to be a misanthrope.
  • Built two giant skyscrapers in the middle of New York. (Remember that 99% of the cities on planet Earth don't have giant twin skyscrapers in the middle.)
  • Created airports with laughably lax security.
  • Let several suspicious men with knives into the pilot's cabin.
  • Sat by idly while they proceeded to crash airplanes into skyscrapers.

  • What is your complaint again? It looks to me like we got what we wanted. We should have thought of the consequences beforehand -- indeed, God gave us advice on how our society should be run. However, we in our pride proceeded to do everything "our own way", because we thought that airplanes and skyscrapers are more important than God.

    Peace and much love...

    So you agree with Falwell and bin Laden. (none / 0) (#12)
    by elenchos on Wed Oct 24th, 2001 at 11:59:55 PM PST
    Given the vengeful and deadly outlook that you and the fundamentalits learned from God and his Bible, naturally you think America deserved this act of mass murder. God wipes whole cities off the map when he gets annoyed, and his sycophant followers do their best to keep up, with their airplane crashes and their biological weapons. Or your traditional pogroms.

    Kill the infidels: those who take a little pride in their achievments, and have the self-respect to get some pleasure out of this life are enemies of God, because God wants followers who live in dirty caves (or Russia) and spend their days with thier faces in the dirt, making jealous plots to kill for God, and debase both themselves and anyone else they can -- women, homosexuals, even their helpless pets.

    Either that or you are some kind of Gnostic who thinks God abandoned us long ago and doesn't bother to influence human affairs any more. Just lets people suffer and die while He busys Himself with His own glorification.

    This is your religion? No thanks.

    I do, I do, I do
    --Bikini Kill

    Infantile... (none / 0) (#13)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 12:25:15 AM PST
    We are adults. We are responsible for our own destiny. We, ourselves, destroy cities and kill people. We, ourselves, choose to hate and to be xenophobic. We, ourselves, are the ones piloting airplanes that crash into building that we built. We, ourselves, create the biological weapons and the means and the motives to deliver them. We, ourselves, build and populate the cities that we destroy.

    God didn't "abandon" the world, He simply gives us the benefit of the doubt and assumes that we can make responsible decisions.

    What other way would you have it? God as a master puppeteer, someone to slap our hand whenever we even think about doing something evil? A cosmic Big Brother, a metaphysical secret police that stops all evil at the root? Is that what you really want? I don't see your complaint. In fact, please tell me what would you do if you were God. (I know this question is somewhat blasphemous, but I'm truly interested in your opinion.) Sure, God influences us in a tremendous way, but only in the way of a close, interpersonal relationship, by giving advice and being a mentor. (Not literally, I'm making a bad analogy here.)

    The relationship between God and man is always a personal one.

    Peace and much love...

    'What way would I have it?' More solipsism. (none / 0) (#25)
    by elenchos on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:24:01 AM PST
    With your habit of defining words any way you please, I shouldn't be surprised.

    Maybe you think you get to decide what role God will play and whether or not you have free will based on what you want, but the rest of us simply accept reality for what it is. The truth is the truth, like it or not.

    So it is a simple fact that it is in God's power to save lives, in spite of human will. Look again at Abraham and Isaac. After first faking Abraham out with this fatwa against his innocent child, God turns around and forces him to stop. Abraham's "free will" is to kill Isaac, as per God's instructions. He is stabbing him, but God's angel grabs Abraham's hand and prevents the killing. Then God plays his old "oh, I didn't really mean it" game.

    And what about when God "hardened Phaoroh's heart against the Children of Israel?" Pahoroh was indeed God's puppet then.

    But you don't care about history or scripture. You're like one of those New Age Califorians, practicing your "me-ism". So go on believing whatever made-up beliefs make you feel good, I don't mind. It's a free country, after all.

    I do, I do, I do
    --Bikini Kill

    There you go again... (none / 0) (#27)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:52:08 AM PST
    Like any atheist, you are again confusing Christianity and Judaism. The whole bit with Abraham and Isaac is a strictly Judaic parable. From a Christian standpoint, it is completely hokey and even blasphemous in parts. Indeed, Christians realize the important social and historical commentary in the parable, but it has no theological or spiritual value to a Christian. (Well, except for a few fundamentalist pseudo-Christian sects. Except for the name, they aren't very Christian, though.)

    Like it or not, but one of the very most important basic tenets of Christianity is the fact that man's relationship with God is always strictly personal. Whatever goes on between you and God is always only between the two of you.

    Read the Church Fathers. (i.e. the founders of the Christian Church.) You will find all the questions explained there much better than I can explain them.

    Peace and much love...

    So you just dump the Old Testament completely? (none / 0) (#29)
    by elenchos on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:59:52 AM PST
    Sure, you do that. What religion is this anyway? Tkatchevism? Do you get tax breaks?

    I do, I do, I do
    --Bikini Kill

    This is... (none / 0) (#32)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 10:01:17 AM PST
    This is Christianity. The real version, before it was perverted by Martin Luther and the Papal pornocracy. (This is a real historical term, BTW. Look it up if you're interested.)

    Besides, who ever said anything about abandoning the Old Testament? The Old Testament was the best thing we had before the coming of Christ. It has almost completely been superceeded by the New Testament, though. It is still vital as social/historical commentary and general wisdom, but definitely not as a theological aide.

    Again, read the Church Fathers. Everything is explained there. (Beware, though, the Protestant sects forbid trying to learn about the true Christianity -- some even include a ban on reading the texts of those who founded the original Church! Makes you wonder, doesn't it?)

    Peace and much love...

    I still think it's just tkatchevism. (none / 0) (#33)
    by elenchos on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 10:18:09 AM PST
    "The whole bit with Abraham and Isaac is a strictly Judaic parable."

    What do you mean by that? Did it happen or not? Was this some other God than the Christian God? And what does Jesus say about the Old Testament? Just fairy tales, not to be taken seriously?

    And what does the Chrurch Fathers have to say on this, andway, since you are so sure that that's where all the answers lie?

    I do, I do, I do
    --Bikini Kill

    Careful here. (none / 0) (#34)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 10:52:24 AM PST
    There is a big difference between "not a fairy tale" and "theologically viable". The story of Abraham and Isaac is a great source of wisdom, and may have even been true, but trying to draw any theological conclusions from it is wrong. The Jews at the time had no concept of the true God. (They worshipped Him, but had no concept of who they were worshipping and why.) As such, using trying to put Judaic interpretations to use is just wrong. Frankly speaking, the Jews at the time experienced the true God, but they did not recognize Him for what he is. (Nobody could have, at the time, because this was well before the coming of Jesus.)

    Jesus said as much himself -- that the Old Testament is all good and fine, but not as theology or philosophy. That is, the Old Testament is good as a codex of laws, but not for explaining why we are here and where we are headed.

    Peace and much love...

    Hey (none / 0) (#52)
    by Anonymous Reader on Wed Oct 31st, 2001 at 11:16:14 AM PST
    "And what does Jesus say about the Old Testament?"

    It is God's law. God's word is God's law. All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Not some, *all*. Every single living human being violated all ten commandments, save one, that being Jesus. This was possible because he *was* God, sent through the tribulations as man, but he perservered and died without sin. Thus when Satan came and took him to Hell, Satan had violated the "rules of the game" of which he and God had agreed upon. Since there was no sin in Jesus, his bondage to Hell was unjustified, and he was able to create an exception through which all living beings can now gain access to heaven: by realizing they have sinned and thus asking for forgiveness for those sins.

    It's really a straightforward story and although Catholics and Protestants have both warped it, most Christians know that requirements of Christianity are pretty leanient. Fundamentalists are the only ones preaching fire and brimstone.

    jeepers (none / 0) (#50)
    by Anonymous Reader on Tue Oct 30th, 2001 at 04:23:12 AM PST
    Perhaps not a slap on the hand... just something less severe than complete avoidance. God used to talk to people and charge them with divine tasks. He used to be a hands on god. Personally I think he's become an alcoholic and we haven't recognized the signs.

    Unless you'e a mormon of course. In which case God is talking to you all the time. I wish their living prophet guy would update the world on what God has to say about all of this. I wonder. Time to research.

    Ahh, "free will" (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anonymous Reader on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 07:19:24 AM PST
    Can you do me a favor and produce verses from Scripture that explain how we have "free will?" Don't waste your time; there are none. The whole concept of "free will" does not stem from specific passages in the Bible. Rather, it was invented by Christian apologists who desparately had to come up with something -- anything -- to explain the presence of evil in the world. Enter "free will." If anything, the Bible says just the opposite .. in the book of Samuel, for instance, we are referred to as "clay" in Yahweh's hands. Doesn't sound too free to me, does it?

    At any rate, the whole idea of "free will" is logically impossible. The Christians claim that Yahweh is omnipotent, omniscient, and a whole bunch of other omni-words. They claim that it knows everything that ever has happened, everything that is happening, and everything that ever will happen. If that's the case, Yahweh could conceivably get out a bunch of sheets of paper and write down everything that I'm going to do from now until the day I die. Let's say that Yahweh writes down that the first thing I'm going to do tomorrow is drink a glass of orange juice. Now you're telling me that I have the option of drinking a glass of grape juice "if I feel like it." Well, wouldn't that make Yahweh wrong? After all, it wrote down that I was going to have orange juice. Kind of shoots holes in the whole "omnipotent" theory, doesn't it?

    The bottom line is this: a believer who wants to be Scripturally honest and logically consistent cannot believe in an omnipotent god who gives us "free will." If you are serious about believing in such a god, you must accept the fact that it is directly responsible for everything in the world, good and bad. Remember that in the OT, Yahweh itself admits that it is the creator of evil. If you are not willing to face these facts then you are a poser, a touchy-feely sort of politically-correct liberal that will only believe in a god on your own terms. Well, B.S. to that. If the Christian god really did exist, the only option we would have in order to promote peace and sanity would be to destroy it.

    Oops. (none / 0) (#28)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:57:44 AM PST
    Yaweh is a tribal Jewish God, not the God of the Christians.

    You are right, though. The concept of "free will" implies that the omniscient God has to give up some of His powers. In fact, that is exactly the view of the Christian church -- that God gave up some of His powers of omniscience so that man could have free will. That is why in the Scriptures it is referred to as God's "gift". (Incidentally, that is the difference between man and animals. Animals may be intelligent, they may have all sorts of reasoning skills, but they will never have free will.)

    Peace and much love...

    Hmm (none / 0) (#35)
    by seventypercent on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 11:33:43 AM PST
    Yahweh is a tribal Jewish God, not the God of the Christians.

    So Christian's don't worship Yahweh/Jehovah? Exactly who do they worship, then .. the Invisible Pink Unicorn?

    You are right, though. The concept of "free will" implies that the omniscient God has to give up some of His powers.

    What is the Scriptural justification for this (where, specifically is "free will" mentioned and referred to as a "gift"?) Is there any justification beyond that which I have proposed (apologists needing to come up with an explanation for the Problem of Evil?)

    Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

    If you are serious... (none / 0) (#36)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 12:28:41 PM PST
    Here's a reference: Concerning Free Will and Predestination, by St. John of Damascus

    It was written in the 7th century by one of the Church Fathers. (Basically, one of the people who created the Christian Church.) It was written before the Eastern/Western Christianity split, and certainly before Luther.

    Beware, though, since it is not light reading. It might be too challenging for you, seeing as atheists usually aren't used to using their critical-thinking apparatus. Most just blithely spew the same propaganda over and over and over; like for example, why does every single fricking atheist have to cite "invisible pink unicorns"? Come on, it was cute the first 100,000 times I've heard it, but now it is really getting on my nerves. Invent something more witty, OK?

    Peace and much love...

    You go yahweh and I'll go mine... (none / 0) (#37)
    by Anonymous Reader on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 03:43:23 PM PST
    Perhaps you could explain to me the relationship between the Christian God and Yahweh. From what I understand, certain priests in the Jewish faith decided one day that they were too much like pagans because of their polytheistic attitudes, and converted the entire religion to monotheism, picking the thunder god Yahweh as the 'only' true god. Then, later, Jesus came along and said he was the son of god, and he didn't go against anything in the Torah. That would make him Yahweh's son, right?

    Yahweh, jewish priest and monotheism. (none / 0) (#48)
    by dissolutions on Fri Oct 26th, 2001 at 10:01:49 PM PST
    Yahweh is one of the Hebrew names for God. Actually there are many we use GOD or Lord in English. Monotheism came first, polytheism came later. God called Abraham back to the truth. Jewish priest (~1500 bc) came about 1000 years after Abraham's call back to monotheism, not the other way around.

    look up freedom (none / 0) (#47)
    by dissolutions on Fri Oct 26th, 2001 at 09:52:09 PM PST
    The bible is filled with the word freedom in the description of our relationship with God.
    Just read the bible it's not hard to find. Get a modern english version and start with one of the gospels.

    Scritures you requested (none / 0) (#46)
    by dissolutions on Fri Oct 26th, 2001 at 09:46:51 PM PST
    You lie.

    1cor8:9; 1cor9:1; 1cor10:29; 2cor3:17; gal2:4; gal5:1; Gal 5:13; Eph3:12; Jas1:25; Jas2:12; 1pe2:16;

    Is that enough. I can give you more...

    Oh, by the way, God did not create evil. He only allowed it as a by product of our free will. Love requires the freedom to choose. e.g. Light did not create dark. Dark is the absence of light.

    Scritures {sic} you requested (none / 0) (#51)
    by Anonymous Reader on Wed Oct 31st, 2001 at 07:46:09 AM PST
    IIRC, the Judeo-Christian God created *everything*, thus created evil by default. Also, did not Lucifer fall from grace in the OT *before* Adam & Eve were created? Seems that humankind's free will is not relative to the existence of evil. I am more inclined to believe my own little interpretation of morality: it is a continuum. At one end is the worst of humanity and at the other is the best. All of us are born at the mid-point--neither good or evil (having no capacity to affect any control over others and focused almost exclusively to survival).

    Free will ties in, IMO, to the other f*cked-up Christian dogma--original sin. Xians claim their God is just, but at the same time damns a child born today for the actions of Adam & Eve? Not hardly fair in my book. Oh, and for those apologists who will claim that we as humans have no way of comprehending God's intentions or *His* meaning of "just", I call B.S.--since the Bible is ostensibly written for instructive purposes to humanity, it is incumbent upon God, not me, to be precise and exact with the wording and meaning in His scriptures.

    Finally, the idea that evil is a by-product of free will is the most insidious way Xians use to damn anyone who dares deviate from the "good book". If free will does exist, then by definition, absolute good as well as absolute evil will be by-products of this free will.

    (BTW--not picking on Xians; just more familiar with them. IMO, *all* religions are nothing more than another man-made (and thus imperfect) means of social control. Not that this control is not needed in many cases, but to "condemn" an otherwise "good" person to "Hell" for not incantating the precise words at the precise time in the precise building is ludicrous)

    A fly in the ointment: (none / 0) (#14)
    by moriveth on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 01:38:28 AM PST
    God is omnipotent. Surely you recognize that we are not at liberty to ignore God's will, no matter what "petulent fits" He throws.

    As I see it, there are two possible Christian interpretations of the terrorists attacks. Most obviously, it could be a sign of the Second Coming. There is certainly evidence to support this view, but I prefer a second interpretation. God has grown upset with Christians' failings in much the same manner that He grew exasperated with those of the Israelites; thus He seems to be taking Islam's side in its jihad against the Christian West. The Bible presents many examples of how the Israelites responded to God's wrath, and they are surely worthy of emulation. Our leaders should consider the forgotten Old Testament laws as they pursue the "War on Terrorism." The real solutions to terrorism might lie in our actions at home, not abroad.

    Nothing less than a Christian revival, a Third Great Awakening, will save our great nation.

    Not really. (none / 0) (#15)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 02:24:18 AM PST
    Those aren't Christian interpretations, they are Judaic interpretations.

    Atheists always get the two religions confused, probably because the Torah (Old Testament) is also considered sacred by the Christians. However, Christianity and Judaism are completely different religions, and their philosophies and theologies have nothing in common.

    Peace and much love...

    But few pay attention to the Torah (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anonymous Reader on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 07:06:57 AM PST
    As a matter of fact, most Christians that I know tell me that if weren't for the parts of the Torah that condemn homosexuality, they would ignore it all together.

    that's funny... (none / 0) (#31)
    by nathan on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 09:22:30 AM PST
    because the relevant stuff is in St. Paul (catamites, 'the effeminate,' etc.)

    Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

    Bravo! (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by SpaceGhoti on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 03:22:58 AM PST
    It's about time somebody gave that Bitch the comeuppance She deserves. Throughout human history God has killed or ordered the deaths of countless people for the simple crime of not measuring up to some obscure standard many of them didn't even know about. I say it's about time someone called Her on Her shit, and I couldn't have done better myself.

    Lets throw off the shackles of Divine oppression and steer our fates like true men and women of enlightenment.

    Inshallah, of course.

    A troll's true colors.

    Wake-up call. (none / 0) (#17)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 04:04:27 AM PST
    Where have you been sleeping the last 500 years? Violent atheism is so 15th century...

    Peace and much love...

    Not what you think (none / 0) (#18)
    by SpaceGhoti on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 04:44:46 AM PST
    What violence? The last roadmap I saw to "Heaven" involved a lot of metaphysical nonsense that was absolutely useless for actually getting from point A to point B. It's not like I'm gonna be knocking down God's door and tossing in a molotov cocktail. Just not practical.

    A troll's true colors.

    Why do you hate God? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 05:50:23 AM PST
    I quote: It's about time somebody gave that Bitch the comeuppance She deserves. Throughout human history God has killed or ordered the deaths of countless people for the simple crime of not measuring up to some obscure standard many of them didn't even know about. I say it's about time someone called Her on Her shit, and I couldn't have done better myself. Lets throw off the shackles of Divine oppression and steer our fates like true men and women of enlightenment.

    Peace and much love...

    Let's try something (0.50 / 2) (#20)
    by SpaceGhoti on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 06:06:01 AM PST
    I realize that religious dogma discourages this sort of behavior, but if you engage some critical thinking for a moment, you might be able to answer your question all by yourself.

    To jumpstart the process, consider these two datum: is a spoof site, and what you quoted was meant in the same spirit as the original article.

    Good luck. Your grade will be based on eloquence and clarity of thought.

    A troll's true colors.

    Idiot (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Hammurabi on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 06:43:39 AM PST
    If you can't back up your statements, don't fucking make them. Spoof Site? Where the fuck did you get that from? In other words, you're just talking out your ass, but you feel that it's somehow justified for you to do so because of some imaginary disagreement with the editors of You're lucky they haven't deleted you for trolling. You, sir, are a stunningly shameless being.

    Only the most dangerous and hardened of criminals attempts to blame the law when he is the one who broke it.

    I had a response to you. (none / 0) (#39)
    by SpaceGhoti on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:00:16 PM PST
    My response to you was said in all seriousness and meant sincerely. It explained exactly how I back my statements.

    It was deleted by an Editor (Infinite in Their Wisdom), presumably for "trolling." Next question?

    A troll's true colors.

    Well, I'm certain it was trolling. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Hammurabi on Fri Oct 26th, 2001 at 10:53:44 AM PST
    What you don't understand, is that if you make a statement, you should be able to defend it. You can't just go off and make some cop-out about how you don't think anyone's being serious, and it's all a big joke. You think controversy is some sort of joke? You think discussion is some sort of joke? You think threats of violence towards an omnipotent God is some kind of joke? You think because someone disagrees with you, they must be joking??

    Now, why don't you dig deep in that tiny brain of yours, and answer tkatchev's question. Why do you hate god? I think you can come up with a reason, can't you?

    Only the most dangerous and hardened of criminals attempts to blame the law when he is the one who broke it.

    Speak for yourself. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by elenchos on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:14:21 AM PST
    I stand by my article.

    I do, I do, I do
    --Bikini Kill

    whats the big deal? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Anonymous Reader on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 08:35:41 AM PST
    Only 5,000 people died - a drop in the ocean of humanity.

    True. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by tkatchev on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 09:01:35 AM PST
    All this God-bashing is nothing but infantile whining, from people who managed to hurt themselves out of their own stupidity, and have the gall to blame God on their own shortcomings. What, do you want God to control your every move? About a million people die each day. How many are murdered? Do you really think God is some sort of cosmic police force?

    Peace and much love...

    police god (2.50 / 2) (#49)
    by Anonymous Reader on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 06:58:39 PM PST
    that would kick some ass. Seeing god run around with a police hat on. Waving his little baton. Its a good image.

    God is Love (4.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Anonymous Reader on Thu Oct 25th, 2001 at 11:41:06 PM PST
    God is love. Love is joy. Joy is hope. Hope is forever. Forever is a Judy Blume novel. Novel is a synonym for new. New is shiny. "Shiny" is one of the characteristics of gold. Gold is a heavy metal. Heavy Metal is the preferred expressive art of Yngwie Malmsteen. "Yngwie Malmsteen is God". God is love.

    hey, god sux0rs, but your still a dumbass. (none / 0) (#53)
    by thechild on Sun Jan 20th, 2002 at 08:25:46 PM PST
    'nuff said.


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